Moving to Spain: what happens if the UK leaves the EU? - Page 13

Aren't they all personal opinions? The 'reality' as you see it is a personal opinion. How 'Spain may decide to proceed' is a personal opinion.

If you stopped personal opinions appearing there would be no posts :>)

Brian I was alluding to it being - as I understood it - an A political thread about the impact not a political thread about which way you voted. 

("Failed club EU" reference)

Oh yes - understood - thanks for clarifying. I have mentioned in this thread before (I think) that there is no point in trying to re-run the referendum debate. I think we are in agreement on that  :>) 

No problem!  There's an interesting piece running on Sky News about it tonight. Steve

edit, link here http://news.sky.com/story/how-a-no-deal-vote-could-stop-brexit-and-make-jeremy-corbyn-prime-minister-11082601

Posting the link is not intended to be political comment, merely one way that events are being interpreted by a news analyst

Thanks for that Steve.

You may have seen my post, a few before this, noting that I had written some easy read guides to economic aspects, such as EFTA, EEA, WTO, etc.

As we stated, there is no point in trying to rerun the referendum debate.

I do think there is point in considering what type of Brexit we have. For example, could we be in EFTA and be part of the SM? Could we be part of the CU via the EEA? I may have those the wrong way round, but it is the principle that matters. What  are WTO rules and how would they affect trade?

MPs have been putting all sorts of views on all of these things. We may even be asked our views as a members of the public. 

If people do not try to understand these things and just wait to be told what will happen to them, then they get what they deserve.

If they look at the options and try to influence their MPS, whilst considering their own contingency plan under different scenarios, they have done the best they can and will be able to hit the ground running whatever the outcome. That of course is subject to my previous statement in another post that both the UK and the EU are capable of coming up with something that cannot be part of anyone's contingency plan :>)

I feel some people are just looking at their own individual situations and have little, if any, interest in what is good for the UK. I feel as if some people are waiting for others to give them the answers and have not looked at the contingencies themselves. Why do I feel this? If you look at the posts from start to finish on here there are those who pretty well post 'Please tell me what will happen. Please tell me what to do?' There are others who offer information and inference, provide links and suggest various possible routes. They also note that it is all speculation and people must look for themselves.

With respect Brian, most people are not politically motivated, they realise they have no influence on outcomes (post voting) and simply look to politicians to reach decisions so that they themselves in turn can make informed decisions about their lives. 

It looks like this will run and run. One very positive thing - so far at least - is that Spain has not sought to involve Gibraltar in discussions. The most dangerous outcome for Brits living in Spain without citizenship would be if we were used as pawns in an attempt to regain sovereignty. 

As an aside, can anyone reading this, possibly post up their knowledge about Brits moving back to the UK on the basis of the Brexit situation? Not Brits who were planning to move back anyway - Brits who have decided on the back of the uncertainty to move back?

Yes, all good points Steve.

I would say that the pre Brexit Referendum phase should be sufficient warning that people should not wait to be informed by politicians :>) Regardless of 'sides' in this, I thought information provision and quality control of information was very poor. 

I suspect a similar situation will happen after Brexit. Evenn if people feel they cannot influence what politicians do (and I empathise with that view) I think they should take some personal responsibility for looking at the options. Of course, I may be wrong in regard to what I think some people are doing and they may all be looking at the various options and making contingency plans accordingly. I hope so.

We intended to move to Spain when we retired but Brexit made us consider our contingency plans. Luckily I was born in Ireland so was able to apply for an Irish passport for myself and my children. My husband is English and after Brexit will be a third country national - but married to an EU citizen. We brought forward our plans to acquire a Spanish home and all four of us have NIEs. Next we will be brushing up our Spanish. We felt this is all necessary because frankly uk pensioners will be a perishable commodity. Pension income spent in Spain would become dwarfed by the public cost of supporting an ageing expat population. Everyone needs to strengthen their own hand. This government will not bail out individuals who will need care in Spain or in the uk. And it has a very poor record of increasing funding to public services creaking under increased demand. Look out for yourselves. 

Hi all,

I had no idea my little posting was going to get 16 replies. Thank you Jim Taylor for coming up with a good answer after me putting you on the spot. I am wondering if UK folks in Spain - or any other EU country - will be able to use the European Health Card after Brexit. What % of Brits in Spain are ''under the radar'' and why ? I'm not as informed as other posters here but I do think that the EU as a unit make the decisions on the movement of people in member states, especially the movement of people from non EU countries - like the UK after Brexit. The EU guys are a serious bunch of chaps and are not one bit happy with Mr. Davis not having a bull's notion of what Brexit means. The first stage of the ''negotiations'' included a solution from the UK as to what would happen to the border in Ireland - not a dickeybird from the UK lads, or a single suggestion from Mrs. May, unbelievable considering the DUP's position of power. How many voted 'leave' that knew absolutely nothing about the trade deals or the customs union, or the £Billions that have to be paid upfront now. And so the messing continues, Mrs. May is going to Brussels today to apologise for Mr. Johnson and explain that Mr. Davis is doing his best and stop saying you do not understand anything he is saying. Also that Mr. Hammond will be going on a long holiday soon. What a bunch of simple minded ''politicians''. And these are the people that you think are looking after your interests in Spain. As I said, I am not that informed of what is going on. On the brighter side look at all this beautiful weather on the Costa Blanca. Buenas noches, duerme bien, y mañana será un día mejor.      B