Moving to Spain: what happens if the UK leaves the EU? - Page 21

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sorry, I am a bit of a dunce and I think perhaps a bit 'over-worried' about what will happen when the UK leaves the EU.

Only a few more weeks before I will be able to come over to start looking at properties!

We move on 17th Oct this year to Murcia/Alicante.  We have our NIE's, will obtain padrons in 2 weeks, then are planning on obtaining our residentias within 3 months of moving (hopefully next Jan of Feb) after showing proof that I have paid the €240 a month into the social security system for health care for a minimum of 3 months, what will this mean to me and hubby in terms of taking out permenant residential status (we will not be moving back to UK as have no property in UK and only own in spain) after 5 years?  It will just be helpful to know for the coming years.

I'm guesting from the tone that you think there is something wrong with this?

The biggest issue countries have with migration is the cost of supporting people who cannot support themselves.

Most places with a sensible migration policy stipulate that you are welcome as long as you are not a drain on the host nation.

Quite rightly in my opinion. 

Hi Kim, I'm puzzled by 'obtain new "third country" ID numbers to replace our NIEs'.

I know our residencia certificates will have to be replaced, but this is the first I've heard of getting new identity numbers. 

Without checking the legislation, I thought NIEs were for any foreigner who has an interest in Spain, irrespective of whether or not they come from within the EU.

How Will I be affected.  . We've owned a property for 15 years in Spain. Paid annual taxes, have NIE and padron. Our villa is currently rented out on a 12 month lease so we pay taxes on that also non resident taxes.The idea was to retire there in the next 2 years, obviously there is uncertainty with the Brexit situation. Can i apply for residency now.

Part of a speech made yesterday by Robin Walker to French ex-pats:

This agreement gives certainty not only about residency, but also healthcare, pensions and other benefits. We understand that the arrangements on which citizens rely need to go beyond broad political declarations and deal with the realities of people and their lives. The point of meetings such as today is to hear from you and learn about these realities.

It will enable families who have built their lives together in the UK and EU to stay together. And will ensure close family members can join after the implementation period, on the basis of current EU rules, as long as the relationship existed at the end of the implementation period - 31 December 2020.

Settled status will be granted to those who have been in the UK for five years or more at the end of the implementation period. For those of you - or your friends - who don’t yet have five years residency on that day, the 31st December 2020, we will make sure that you will be able to stay to make up these years, so you can apply for settled status when you have.

We have committed to giving you until June 2021 to submit an application for settled status - and we have made a commitment in the Withdrawal Agreement that this application system will be smooth, streamlined and low cost. I know that the French community in the UK is long established, and for those who have already acquired permanent residence documents I would like to stress that there​ ​will​ ​be​ ​a​ ​simple​ ​process​ ​to exchange​ ​this​ ​for​ ​a​ ​settled​ ​status​ ​document​ ​completely free​ ​of​ ​charge.​ ​​ ​This will also be available to people who have documents demonstrating Indefinite Leave to Remain, such as those who came before the UK joined the EU.

Presumably this speech was for people residing in the UK from the EU. We really want to know about the other side of the discussion. I think the thread was started as moving to Albatera from the UK not to the UK. 

When an agreement is reached, it applies both ways, otherwise it wouldn't be an agreement.

> ... but then he followed up by saying that there would be no bilateral agreements and it would depend on the final deal done by the EU.

Good point.

It does not seem to matter how often people are told the agreement will be between the EU and the UK, not between Spain and the UK, there are some who continue to talk about the issue as if there will be a Spain-UK deal.

Just to enhance the point that Kim has made about tax, if you become officially resident here (whether or not you are in fact) then you'll be liable to be taxed here as a resident on your worldwide income.