Moving to Spain: what happens if the UK leaves the EU? - Page 34

No slur intended Steve. On reflection you might consider the words you used a bit old hat.

Yes, I would agree with that. However, although I'm not sexist, calling someone fat, whether they be male or female is simply stating fact and I don't think the word fat (whether to describe a male or a female) should be erased from the dictionary just because we live in a pc world.  If you're fat you're fat and maybe you need to take action to protect your health! But perhaps I could have chosen a more appropriate phrase.

All that said, I have a lot of sympathy for Leave voters as their frustration must be off the scale. I do enjoy friendly debate with Leavers but sometimes it's difficult as passion on this issue is running high.

The whole thing is a mess. My own opinion is that Johnson was/is representing a hard right ERG anti EU group that wanted to take us out without a deal, and in my opinion that would not only be very bad for UK residents but also not good for UK nationals resident in Spain. And I appreciate there are plenty who will disagree with that view.

Certainly the next few weeks are going to be very interesting! There are so many possibilities......

Certainly the next few weeks are going to be very interesting! There are so many possibilities......

This is 2019 "said": (Sept 3rd) not 2016.

The parliamentarians' lawyer, Aidan O'Neill QC, has already said the government had "actively misled" the court

He also said the fact the prime minister had declined to give a sworn affidavit to the court meant it "can and should draw adverse inferences" about his true intentions.

And he argued Mr Johnson was acting in an undemocratic and autocratic manner by refusing to be accountable to either the court or to Parliament - and claimed the prime minister's aim is to facilitate a no-deal Brexit.

Mr O'Neill said: "This is not about public policy. It is fundamentally about the balance of power between the three arms of the state and an attempt, an illicit attempt, by the government, the executive, to upset that balance to bring itself above and over the legislature.

"The courts, as guardians, of the constitution and rule of law are here to guard against that unconstitutional appropriation of power."

The next possibilities are.....wait for it.........the phrase.....Another meaningful vote

Villas

Well he would say that wouldn't he! And I'm as disappointed as anyone that Johnson was persuaded by Cummings, a man who detests political convention, to prorogue.

However that tactic was so detested by the 21, seen exactly for what it was, and has contributed to the position he now finds himself in. It's pretty clear that mainstream centre right Tories, including his brother, are alarmed at both the tactic of prorogation and the direction the party has chosen.

It's quite possible that in the event of a GE he may actually win, but no-one will convince me this was his cunning strategy all along, it seems to me a bi product of calamity and underestimation. If the Tories lose Ruth Davidsons' 7 Scottish seats to SNP and the remainder of the 21 who are not retiring do stand in Tory held seats as Independent it will make for an interesting contest. 

On the other hand, will Corbyn galvanise enough middle ground voters to prevail, or was his high water mark versus May in 2017? We'll find out soon enough.

Either way, interesting times, and will we be any further forward at the end of it? Possibly. Or possibly not!

#strongandstable lol

I didn't see the interview although I believe it was a bit of a car crash from what I've read.

But..... if what you describe is the case then it has democratic basis.

Because what she is saying is that the Labour Party believes in a second referendum, which gives every person the democratic right to choose Remain or Leave (with greater understanding of what Leave means now that it's been debated fully). In her case that's exercising her democratic right to vote according to personal belief but not against the policy of her party. Surely? Or have I missed something?

If she doesnt believe in the deal .. why ..agree to it.its a  mockery of the system 

Just like labours claims about boris and 

Suspending parliment

But any deal would have to be voted on by parliment its then where she would vote against the deal she is proposing .

And remember they agreed in article 50

To leave with a deal

It just shows the games labour are playing .they say no deal wasnt on the ballot paper. But labour do not have a mandate from its voters to change their policy to remain /referendum. So they must be re elected on their new policy.

The 21 seats are strong tory seats.. and the independants may chip away at the majority  but tories should hold them .as tory voters will see voting for an indie as a vote for labour.

There are also 26 labour leave seats that the brexit party could win. So potentially bigger majority . But is interesting 

Real life should never be overlooked. Real life is where it is at now, today. The score of the votes in the House of Commons over the last 3 days sittings (wow ! is it only 3 days sitting ?) is borris 0 - Corbyn and Friends 10. Now I am not a great fan of Corbyn, but, I do believe he has accomplished a near miracle with the alliance he has brought together to have put borris in a situation where any normal person would resign. Cummings is a spent docket now, just throw it (him) away. Am I the only one that remembers trump saying that he would tell boris how to exit the EU. Looks very clear that boris took his advice. Anyone that can pull rebel Tories, LibDem's, SNP, Welsh Nationalists, Northern Ireland MP's,  Independents, Others and his own Labour crew into a real tight pact to score 10 from 10 has to be taken seriously in any upcoming election. Now this is real life. Saying ''it's not over yet'' is dreaming - or maybe a nightmare ! We are heading up the road for lunch and wine now. How we love Oliva.

I wouldnt say bringing them together is accomplishment .. it was snp suggestion tht corbyn rejected at 1st. So was more a combined effort. 

Boris is still pm.. he can bring deal to the table and if they reject it then continues to no deal. Within the law set as it is get a deal or extend and he got a deal ...

Or can re sign... queen then has to appoint new pm... then he resigns.. and runs down the clock... like taking the ball to the corner flag.. in dying minutes 

If corbyn grabs power then boris calls no confidence.. then election ..

Enjoy your wine 🤪

Hi Arabest. I agree the SNP know what they want and in a matter of time will get it all. As I said I am not a great fan of Corbyn, but I am looking at him closer now. He was the one who got his group together. He with all others in the group combined to bring boris to his knees.

The bit ''boris is still p.m.  .......................to........................then election...''  What a load of gobbildi gook. boris is a dead duck. He will now be picked up and fried by Corbyn then eaten alive in the election later in the year. boris has reduced the once great Tory party to a shambles. At best he will lose only 35 seats in the coming election. Arabest, stand back and quietly listen to your inner self, never mind the dribble the public school boys around boris are saying, pretending not to be dead. Look around you in the real world and take in what has happen to boris and the Tories in the last week. When your team are 10 - 0 down in the final minutes........................this is not the time to take the ball to the corner flag. The poor Queen, she will be stuck in the middle of a mess not of her own making.

Thank you for the nice remark about the wine..............................................500 ml. wine and 3 course for €9 ............................................... what a rip off.....................................................................................only joking.