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Paisley13

Posted: Fri Jun 19, 2020 4:18pm

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Posted: Fri Jun 19, 2020 4:18pm

aitchc1401 wrote on Fri Jun 19, 2020 4:02pm:

The app that the UK have just dropped was developed by the NHS. The idea of a trial is to see if something works well enough to be deployed, it did'nt so plans to roll it out have been dropped. A good description of the app and the comparsion with the Apple/Google alternative can be found on the ...

...BBC link below. 

I guess it suits your narrative to blame Boris and his number 1, whoever that is, but the truth is somewhat different.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-52441428 

Rgds,

Aitch.

Hi 

And yours is praising an incompetent embarrassment, look a bit deeper, who was awarded the contract , not the responsibility of who manages the data , same applied to companies who wanted to supply ventilators , you would have thought that you would award the contract to companies who already manufacture them , no not this bunch of clowns they award it to a vacuum cleaner manufacturer, this government has done so many things badly , you would expect that the popularity of the clown who leads them would fall , but unfortunately as long as the UK right wing press keep supporting him his popularity remains.

The man can’t tell the truth, he even stated repeatedly that Scotland was the highest taxed country in Europe , which it’s not and we’re only a few hundred miles north, but you go on keep believing in the lies and the bull from the fool

aitchc1401

Posted: Fri Jun 19, 2020 6:20pm

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Posted: Fri Jun 19, 2020 6:20pm

Paisley13 wrote on Fri Jun 19, 2020 4:18pm:

Hi 

And yours is praising an incompetent embarrassment, look a bit deeper, who was awarded the contract , not the responsibility of who manages the data , same applied to companies who wanted to supply ventilators , you would have thought that you would award the contract to companies who already man...

...ufacture them , no not this bunch of clowns they award it to a vacuum cleaner manufacturer, this government has done so many things badly , you would expect that the popularity of the clown who leads them would fall , but unfortunately as long as the UK right wing press keep supporting him his popularity remains.

The man can’t tell the truth, he even stated repeatedly that Scotland was the highest taxed country in Europe , which it’s not and we’re only a few hundred miles north, but you go on keep believing in the lies and the bull from the fool

To save me looking a bit deeper can you tell me which company was awarded the contract and who awarded it? I don't think the PM was involved but I look forward to you proving me wrong. 

   As for ventilators, they were sourced from a number of companies and the good news was that they were delivered  in sufficient numbers that the UK never reached a point where they did not have spare capacity. Though to be fair, I don't think the PM was involved in these orders neither, unless you have something that shows otherwise? 

Rgds,

Aitch

Paisley13

Posted: Fri Jun 19, 2020 6:58pm

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Posted: Fri Jun 19, 2020 6:58pm

aitchc1401 wrote on Fri Jun 19, 2020 6:20pm:

To save me looking a bit deeper can you tell me which company was awarded the contract and who awarded it? I don't think the PM was involved but I look forward to you proving me wrong. 

   As for ventilators, they were sourced from a number of companies and the good news was that they were delivered  in sufficient numbers that the UK never reached a point where they did not have spare capacity. Though to be fair, I don't think the PM was involved in these orders n...

...either, unless you have something that shows otherwise? 

Rgds,

Aitch

No enjoy doing some research and not reading the right wing propaganda, maybe you will realise how incompetent Boris is , and for clarity Boris was involved in the decision to award contracts to his mates, you can do some reading of the Parliaments debates some are actually interes 

Cookep1

Posted: Fri Jun 19, 2020 7:39pm

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Posted: Fri Jun 19, 2020 7:39pm

Interesting piece on LBC today.

Yesterday Matt Hancock stated the government had been working on both it's own app and the Apple/Google app. He stated they were now working to develop a hybrid app which would be available in late Autumn. Subsequently an Apple spoken confirmed they had no knowledge of any hybrid app nor had the spoken with the UK government. 

Two things to consider in relation to this:

1. Apple are notoriously protective of their OS. Consequently they will not allow anyone to deploy anything on it without prior verification by them. Ask any IT professional. 

2. Apple & Google are highly protective of their users privacy, to the extent that both have been involved in legal conflicts with the US government regarding access. This is why they chose to jointly develop a localised rather than centralised app.

aitchc1401

Posted: Sat Jun 20, 2020 1:01pm

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Posted: Sat Jun 20, 2020 1:01pm

Paisley13 wrote on Fri Jun 19, 2020 6:58pm:

No enjoy doing some research and not reading the right wing propaganda, maybe you will realise how incompetent Boris is , and for clarity Boris was involved in the decision to award contracts to his mates, you can do some reading of the Parliaments debates some are actually interes 

I have read all the press I could find, Guardian, Telegraph, BBC on-line, even the dreaded Daily Mirror but nowhere did I see a article about Boris handing the contract to his mates. Surprising as I would have thought those publications would have made it front page news. Perhaps as you are north of the border it was in one of your Scottish reads, a perhaps DC Thompson publication?

Rgds,

Aitch.

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Gemily1

Posted: Sun Jun 21, 2020 10:25pm

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Posted: Sun Jun 21, 2020 10:25pm

I see all the experts are out again knocking the UK with their expertise and believing what the gutter press writes.

 If the Spanish government decided to make it mandatory for Spanish residents I’m sure you’d comply,  as you did with the lockdown and rightly so.

But when your dead because of your selfishness and you have failed to comply, will you be bothered about your human rights and data protection I think not.

And by the way if we have a second wave don’t blame Boris, blame the idiots who went rioting and those disgraceful left wing fools who want to change our history.

Gemily1

Posted: Sun Jun 21, 2020 10:40pm

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Posted: Sun Jun 21, 2020 10:40pm

Cookep1 wrote on Fri Jun 19, 2020 12:10am:

Hi Aitch,

I can assure you the information about the app and the government furlough scheme is factual not my opinion. It's all in the public domain so you're welcome to check.

What I suggested as an alternative approach is of course my opinion, but it's based on 20+ years in IT application development, so there is a basis for it.

In terms of people using it, like you I hope if the government address the concerns people will. Only time will tell I guess.

Paul

I’ve read your comments, you seem to know everything, have you wrote to the government and offered them your expertise. on how to sort the track and trace without losing your precious human rights and data protection.

Cookep1

Posted: Sun Jun 21, 2020 11:06pm

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Posted: Sun Jun 21, 2020 11:06pm

Gemily1 wrote on Sun Jun 21, 2020 10:40pm:

I’ve read your comments, you seem to know everything, have you wrote to the government and offered them your expertise. on how to sort the track and trace without losing your precious human rights and data protection.

Hi Gemily1,

No I don't know everything, but I am capable of reading and applying critical thought; give it a try.

I'm also genuinely concerned about the rights of others, especially the more vunerable in society. So yes I do consider human rights precious as they protect us all, as does GDPR. But I guess if you're alright then why would you care about other peoples rights?

Have a nice evening.

Balmer9

Posted: Mon Jun 22, 2020 11:59am

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Posted: Mon Jun 22, 2020 11:59am

Why anyone would not do everything to assist in the eradication of this awful pandemic is beyond me. Probably the same radical left wing that think we should never have had any restrictions placed on us, and protest in their hundreds about a criminal dying thousands of miles away. 

Jimgab

Posted: Mon Jun 22, 2020 12:54pm

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Posted: Mon Jun 22, 2020 12:54pm

My faith in humanity is challenged once more when I read in these posts how many would vote to preserve their own personal data by not using a track and trace app, than use one and save my life

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