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marcliff

Posted: Sun Mar 10, 2024 9:18pm

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Posted: Sun Mar 10, 2024 9:18pm

MarinaDenia wrote on Sun Mar 10, 2024 8:01pm:

I know people this happened to.   It was also reported in the mainstream press.

Why bring it up when it's all over?   Why bring up any outrage.  Why not just bury it?

Those who do not remember history are doomed to relive it.   

And people should read the actual way they are recorded by the ONS. The press was all over the fact that people with covid were classed as that but many of the responsible ones retracted that when it was explained. Thing is, social media also ignored and many people rather believe social media.

This is the ONS bit

"COVID-19 is only mentioned on the death certificate if the doctor or coroner believes it was part of the reason the person died. A positive test result does not make a death 'count' as involving COVID-19 if COVID-19 did not actually contribute to the death, for example if the person died in an accident"

They also explained there are two parts to the certificate. The first is the doctor's view on what caused the death and the second part is problems the patient had which could include covid and show a positive test. Again, ONS

"However, if it was thought that COVID-19 was not contributory to the death, it would not be recorded on the death certificate regardless of the positive test." Which puts the lie to all patients having a positive result will be classed as a covid death.

All ignored by those who won't even be bothered to find out.  Same as doctors being paid extra to sign a death certificate saying covid when that was simply not true and totally denied by the BMA. But people believe what they want to. 

Peter Rossa

Posted: Mon Mar 11, 2024 9:26am

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MillySpain wrote on Mon Jul 26, 2021 11:40pm:

I have lost no one to Covid but know two women who died after their vaccines. Age 51 and 72. Both women were in Ireland and there was no autopsy. 

The entire situation is a scary and sad mess...

Here back in England, I have two friends who ended up in A&E with heart issues within days of taking the jab, one of them took the second jab and ended up back in A&E again. I have another friend who nearly died and has been left with a very poor quality of life, his doctor told him it was the jab.I have two ex-work colleagues who are now under cardiac care, one of whom's young son suffered a stroke, all after taking the jab.

I am on a few heart illness groups on Facebook.Been on them for seven years. Every now and then we get a post welcoming just a handful of new members. Soon as the Vaccine was rolled out, every week we were getting posts welcoming the new 40 or 50 new members, you could see by their profiles that they were younger than we were used to. So many of them claimed their heart issues and arrhythmias started shortly after taking the vaccine.

I no longer have a home in Spain, as soon as I heard the plan for a vaccine passport requirement to travel in the pipeline, I put it on the market and sold it.

Seems rather frequent to see newspaper articles reporting the increase in cardiac issues, of course doctors are always "baffled".

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-13154677/young-people-having-heart-attacks-lead-seemingly-healthy-lifestyles-suffered-heart-problems.html

Excess deaths are now worst than in the pandemic https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2023/jan/15/britain-excess-death-rate-covid-nhs-cost-of-living

Even members of Parliament are starting to ask questions, though in view of the punishment and dismissal Andrew Bridgen received for raising the issue, MP's in general put their careers ahead of asking awkward questions.

  

   

James1212

Posted: Mon Mar 11, 2024 11:38am

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Peter Rossa wrote on Mon Mar 11, 2024 9:26am:

Here back in England, I have two friends who ended up in A&E with heart issues within days of taking the jab, one of them took the second jab and ended up back in A&E again. I have another friend who nearly died and has been left with a very poor quality of life, his doctor told him it wa...

...s the jab.I have two ex-work colleagues who are now under cardiac care, one of whom's young son suffered a stroke, all after taking the jab.

I am on a few heart illness groups on Facebook.Been on them for seven years. Every now and then we get a post welcoming just a handful of new members. Soon as the Vaccine was rolled out, every week we were getting posts welcoming the new 40 or 50 new members, you could see by their profiles that they were younger than we were used to. So many of them claimed their heart issues and arrhythmias started shortly after taking the vaccine.

I no longer have a home in Spain, as soon as I heard the plan for a vaccine passport requirement to travel in the pipeline, I put it on the market and sold it.

Seems rather frequent to see newspaper articles reporting the increase in cardiac issues, of course doctors are always "baffled".

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-13154677/young-people-having-heart-attacks-lead-seemingly-healthy-lifestyles-suffered-heart-problems.html

Excess deaths are now worst than in the pandemic https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2023/jan/15/britain-excess-death-rate-covid-nhs-cost-of-living

Even members of Parliament are starting to ask questions, though in view of the punishment and dismissal Andrew Bridgen received for raising the issue, MP's in general put their careers ahead of asking awkward questions.

  

   

Itā€™s interesting that a person who was writing Covid skeptic posts as early as April 2020, and professes to be friends with Andrew Bridgen, also knows loads of vaccine injured people. I donā€™t personally know anyone who had any significant side effects from Covid vaccines, and few who think about it at all nowadays (2024). Luckily most of us didnā€™t worry too much about vaccine passports either - they were no problem for vaccinated people (and they no longer exist). 

Kimmy11

Posted: Mon Mar 11, 2024 7:25pm

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Peter Rossa wrote on Mon Mar 11, 2024 9:26am:

Here back in England, I have two friends who ended up in A&E with heart issues within days of taking the jab, one of them took the second jab and ended up back in A&E again. I have another friend who nearly died and has been left with a very poor quality of life, his doctor told him it wa...

...s the jab.I have two ex-work colleagues who are now under cardiac care, one of whom's young son suffered a stroke, all after taking the jab.

I am on a few heart illness groups on Facebook.Been on them for seven years. Every now and then we get a post welcoming just a handful of new members. Soon as the Vaccine was rolled out, every week we were getting posts welcoming the new 40 or 50 new members, you could see by their profiles that they were younger than we were used to. So many of them claimed their heart issues and arrhythmias started shortly after taking the vaccine.

I no longer have a home in Spain, as soon as I heard the plan for a vaccine passport requirement to travel in the pipeline, I put it on the market and sold it.

Seems rather frequent to see newspaper articles reporting the increase in cardiac issues, of course doctors are always "baffled".

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-13154677/young-people-having-heart-attacks-lead-seemingly-healthy-lifestyles-suffered-heart-problems.html

Excess deaths are now worst than in the pandemic https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2023/jan/15/britain-excess-death-rate-covid-nhs-cost-of-living

Even members of Parliament are starting to ask questions, though in view of the punishment and dismissal Andrew Bridgen received for raising the issue, MP's in general put their careers ahead of asking awkward questions.

  

   

What's extraordinary about the Daily Mail article that you chose to include is that you appear oblivious to the total absence of any reference to the Covid vaccine.  Poor diet, lack of exercise and poor self-awareness are not caused by having the Covid vaccine. 

"Dave" considers himself fit?  What is his GP's view?  I'm not a medic and I can see, even just from the photo of "Dave" included in the article, that he's significantly overweight.

There's evidence of instances of cardio issues with a small number of young people who have received the Covid vaccine and the deniers use this as an excuse to completely denigrate the vaccines, refusing to accept that these people had pre-existing conditions from which, had they caught Covid, their risk of death was similarly high šŸ¤¦ā€ā™€ļø

kingscliff

Posted: Tue Mar 19, 2024 4:49pm

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Posted: Tue Mar 19, 2024 4:49pm

tebo53 wrote on Tue Jul 20, 2021 5:41pm:

I think eventually all governments will make everyone feel obliged,  but not forced, to have the vaccine. To get into football stadiums, concerts, boxing matches,  restaurants,  aeroplanes etc and anywhere where people collect there maybe rules introduced whereas you can't get in w...

...ithout your vaccination certificate (or similar)

Which direction would you take?

Steve 

Definitely no jab.

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Alfapash

Posted: Sun Mar 24, 2024 9:52am

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Posted: Sun Mar 24, 2024 9:52am

kingscliff wrote on Tue Mar 19, 2024 4:49pm:

Definitely no jab.

I'm with you Kingscliff , I'm not having any more jabs. The Aztra vaccine was pulled from the market. No thorougher testing. Normally new vaccintions take 8-10 years to come to market.

I know 4 people who have not had the vaccine and have never had it. I know other people who have been jabbed many times and they have had it.

Covid has allowed goverments around the world to impose on our freedoms time and time again. I'm not denying the virus, but I have grave concerns about why it happened. Just out of the blue a deadly (for some) virus hits all around the world. I don't trust any government.

There are many who have become ill and died although they had the jabs.

Don't you rememeber Boris and his slogan The new normal. Well just think of all whats happened since then.

MarinaDenia

Posted: Sun Mar 24, 2024 12:56pm

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Posted: Sun Mar 24, 2024 12:56pm

Peter Rossa wrote on Mon Mar 11, 2024 9:26am:

Here back in England, I have two friends who ended up in A&E with heart issues within days of taking the jab, one of them took the second jab and ended up back in A&E again. I have another friend who nearly died and has been left with a very poor quality of life, his doctor told him it wa...

...s the jab.I have two ex-work colleagues who are now under cardiac care, one of whom's young son suffered a stroke, all after taking the jab.

I am on a few heart illness groups on Facebook.Been on them for seven years. Every now and then we get a post welcoming just a handful of new members. Soon as the Vaccine was rolled out, every week we were getting posts welcoming the new 40 or 50 new members, you could see by their profiles that they were younger than we were used to. So many of them claimed their heart issues and arrhythmias started shortly after taking the vaccine.

I no longer have a home in Spain, as soon as I heard the plan for a vaccine passport requirement to travel in the pipeline, I put it on the market and sold it.

Seems rather frequent to see newspaper articles reporting the increase in cardiac issues, of course doctors are always "baffled".

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-13154677/young-people-having-heart-attacks-lead-seemingly-healthy-lifestyles-suffered-heart-problems.html

Excess deaths are now worst than in the pandemic https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2023/jan/15/britain-excess-death-rate-covid-nhs-cost-of-living

Even members of Parliament are starting to ask questions, though in view of the punishment and dismissal Andrew Bridgen received for raising the issue, MP's in general put their careers ahead of asking awkward questions.

  

   

Not too mention turbo cancer rates and the explosion in all cancers, and more disturbing children having strokes and heart attacks, which the UK government tried to explain away as normal.   mRNA so-called "vaccines" were rushed to market, with no previous safety tests on humans, and no stats available for their safety or efficiency either short term or long term, whilst it was known that trials on animals were halted due to unacceptable injury and death rates.  Whilst vaccines companies were granted immunity from prosecution for the harm they have caused, compensation was passed to the taxpayers and paid to very few victims at deplorably small levels.    All public debate and scientific opposition to these vaccines were shut down. 

kingscliff

Posted: Sun Mar 24, 2024 3:12pm

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Posted: Sun Mar 24, 2024 3:12pm

Alfapash wrote on Sun Mar 24, 2024 9:52am:

I'm with you Kingscliff , I'm not having any more jabs. The Aztra vaccine was pulled from the market. No thorougher testing. Normally new vaccintions take 8-10 years to come to market.

I know 4 people who have not had the vaccine and have never had it. I know other people who have been jabbed many times and they have had it.
...

...

Covid has allowed goverments around the world to impose on our freedoms time and time again. I'm not denying the virus, but I have grave concerns about why it happened. Just out of the blue a deadly (for some) virus hits all around the world. I don't trust any government.

There are many who have become ill and died although they had the jabs.

Don't you rememeber Boris and his slogan The new normal. Well just think of all whats happened since then.

Hi Alfapash, 

I had two relatives pass away in less than three weeks after the booster (3rd jab), one has lost his right leg and my wifeā€™s brother went from no cancer to stage 4 in a few weeks and died. One friend has lost a breast and another has lost half a leg. It seems to affect men more in the heart, just look at the myocarditis cases in young men.  I donā€™t think the King will be sending many 100 year Birthday congratulations in the future.

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Posted: Sun Mar 24, 2024 3:19pm

Villas wrote on Sun Jul 25, 2021 10:41pm:

MillySpain

I do take your point. & the discussion seems to be on this thread, regarding mandatory (as yet) unproven ongoing (enforceable) medication &/or withdrawing their human rights within the health service of whichever country. 

You have mentioned ["self-imposedā€™ illness from obesity, alcohol, smoking or narcotics"] & others have suggested their rights removed & to be withdrawn.

So where do these suggestions cease? 

With persons involved for eg: in extreme sports, driving a car, guilty of causing & receiving injurious accident, negligent or without diligence, causing harm to themselves accidentally, or indeed self-harming oneself etc etc. Do they have human rights to be treated? Surely yes.

My opinion only.

V

V   You are absolutely right. In the end all those driving a car or heating their home should not be helped as they are contributing to the airpolution and the warming up. Let us just cloose the hospitals 

kingscliff

Posted: Sun Mar 24, 2024 3:20pm

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Posted: Sun Mar 24, 2024 3:20pm

MarinaDenia wrote on Sun Mar 24, 2024 12:56pm:

Not too mention turbo cancer rates and the explosion in all cancers, and more disturbing children having strokes and heart attacks, which the UK government tried to explain away as normal.   mRNA so-called "vaccines" were rushed to market, with no previous safety tests on humans, and no...

... stats available for their safety or efficiency either short term or long term, whilst it was known that trials on animals were halted due to unacceptable injury and death rates.  Whilst vaccines companies were granted immunity from prosecution for the harm they have caused, compensation was passed to the taxpayers and paid to very few victims at deplorably small levels.    All public debate and scientific opposition to these vaccines were shut down. 

The thing that concerns me are the young people who were convinced to have the jab, are we going to see cancer in very young people and when they come to have a baby how many will be told itā€™s not possible. The Government is supposed to protect its citizens and the country, you have to understand the government no longer runs the country the whole system is corrupt and rotten to the core. The two services that Iā€™m amazed abandoned us are the health service and the Church.

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