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AndrewandJo

Posted: Thu Mar 26, 2020 10:20am

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Posted: Thu Mar 26, 2020 10:20am

aitchc1401 wrote on Thu Mar 26, 2020 9:26am:

The thing with statistics is that they can be used to prove any argument, usually by ignoring a element that goes against what you want the statistics to prove. If this case the element ignored is the infection rate of covid19 versus influenza. Covid19 infection rate is considerably higher, rough...

...ly doubly that of influenza, so it is very easily passed from person to person. Left unchecked it will eventually contaminate a vast percentage of the population. Then even if the death rate is at the same level as influenza the number of people dying will be considerably higher simply because more people will have it.

  Added to these deaths will be the additional deaths that will occur because other medical events, cancer, road traffic injuries, etc, etc. cannot be treated as the hospitals are overloaded treating covid19 victims. 

So in summary best follow the government advice wherever you are to  help minimise the spread of this highly contagious virus.

Rgds,

Aitch

Don’t get it!

LeckyLes

Posted: Thu Mar 26, 2020 5:07pm

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Posted: Thu Mar 26, 2020 5:07pm

😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣. Brilliant jokes by all 👍

I was tempted to join in until I remembered Sandy's suggestion asking for clean jokes.

That ruled me out ! 😏

LeckyLes 

Mary353

Posted: Thu Mar 26, 2020 11:56pm

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Posted: Thu Mar 26, 2020 11:56pm

As a frontline medic my advice is don’t under estimate the potentially devastating effect that ‘this virus will have on individuals particularly the vulnerable.It will stretch even the most developed and well resourced health systems, New York State hospitals are at full capacity and running short ventilations and stocks of PPEs. My daughter who works in ICU in a large London hospital was both emotional and exhausted at the end of her shift this pm, and this is only the beginning. Keep indoors, If you must go out  practice social distancing and wash your hands and don’t touch your mouth nose or with unwashed hands.

AndrewandJo

Posted: Fri Mar 27, 2020 2:19am

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Posted: Fri Mar 27, 2020 2:19am

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So I knocked on the door at this bed & Breakfast and a lady stuck her head out of the window and said: 'What do you want', I said, 'I want to stay here'. She said, 'Well stay there' and shut the window. 


I had a meal last night. I ordered everything in French, surprised everybody. It was a Chinese restaurant. I said to this Chinese waiter, 'Look, this chicken I got here is cold. 'He said, 'It should be, it's been dead two weeks.' I said, 'Not only that. 'I said, I said... I said it twice, I said, 'He's got one leg shorter than the other. 'He said, 'What do you wanna do with it, eat it or dance with it?' I said, 'Forget the chicken, give me a lobster, and he brought me this lobster. I said just a minute, he's only got one claw. 'He said 'Well he's been in a fight. 'I said, 'Well give me the winner.'

So I was getting into my car, and this bloke says to me "Can you give me a lift?" I said "Sure, you look great, the world's your oyster, go for it!”

Stay safe.

LynneandNick

Posted: Mon Mar 30, 2020 4:07pm

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Posted: Mon Mar 30, 2020 4:07pm

Question about testing. I have certainly had the virus and now recovering. Am I now meant to be tested for anti-bodies? Unclear on who needs to go for a test.

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Grannyrose

Posted: Mon Mar 30, 2020 6:59pm

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Posted: Mon Mar 30, 2020 6:59pm

Nicola, you forget one vital thing.....YOU ARE YOUNG.  Most of us don’t like to admit that we are old and that is the reason that we are more anxious about Coronavirus than you are.    I am sorry to hear that you and your daughter have contracted this virus but pleased to read that you both are dealing with it. Get well soon.

Villas

Posted: Mon Mar 30, 2020 7:05pm

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Posted: Mon Mar 30, 2020 7:05pm

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Good wishes, & speed recovery.

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Villas

Posted: Mon Mar 30, 2020 7:34pm

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Posted: Mon Mar 30, 2020 7:34pm

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Nicola, Have you had a trudge through?: Link:

Just an idea

Villas

Kimmy11

Posted: Tue Mar 31, 2020 2:39am

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Posted: Tue Mar 31, 2020 2:39am

Hi MRT1973,

As salutary as your statistics could be, I'm afraid they don't offer a good argument for people not to be concerned about Covid-19.

I don't believe anyone is "very happy" to accept the levels of road deaths, but these are to some extent within our control.  Car manufacturers, incentivised by EU regulations, have been making the cars we drive successively safer, not just for the occupants, but also for pedestrians, should they be unfortunate enough to be hit by one.  We also try to reduce accident rates by educating all road users.  If we felt that strongly about it, we could iradicate car accidents by banning cars altogether - but I'd love to see the risk/reward argument that could persuade all drivers to abandon their cars in favour of public transport!

So how about your example of seasonal 'flu?  As with SARS-CoV2 (the virus that causes Covid-19), the seasonal influenza virus causes respiratory disease and, in some patients, this can be acute.  When people go for their 'flu jabs each year, it isn't a 'booster', it's a different vaccine to the one they had the year before, and the year before that.......  The seasonal influenza virus mutates quickly and easily, and every year scientists have to tweak the vaccine to protect people against this "antigenic drift".  The World's scientists know a lot about seasonal 'flu.

This is not the case with Covid-19.  SARS-CoV2 is a "novel" virus, i.e. new.  When China alerted the WHO to their concerns about a pneumonia cluster that had broken out, they undertook a complete genome sequencing of the virus and determined that it was a coronavirus never seen before.  World scientists knew nothing about it, because it's a completely new strain.  What they did discover very quickly was that it is highly infectious and spreads fast.  The World's population is concerned, because our scientists are concerned.  They don't have the answers that we expect from them; they can't give us the reassurances we're used to receiving.

People aren't running about like "headless chickens", they're asking questions to which the scientists don't have answers.  For most of us, that's not a situation we're used to, or comfortable with.  Unfortunately, some people try to fill the knowledge gaps themselves, which hasn't helped, spawning misinformation on social media (this has been covered in another forum thread, "World Health Organisation").  Add to that the very real issues of people losing businesses, jobs and worse still, loved ones, and it's not difficult to understand.

Kind regards,

Kim

Allank

Posted: Tue Mar 31, 2020 9:44am

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Posted: Tue Mar 31, 2020 9:44am

MRT1973 wrote on Mon Mar 23, 2020 12:03am:

just to correct you, I was told in no uncertain terms by a legal person that there is no such meaning as road "accidents", they are road incidents, meaning that the majority of these incidents should never have happened and are completely avoidable if only humans control their overtly aggressive ...

...bad driving habits and should be personally held responsible for their actions, as all drivers are supposed to be in control at all times of their vehicles so claiming that some other entity is responsible for their poor driving is a common misconception. 

I totally concur with that view. I hate to hear when for instance a child steps out suddenly and is hit, that the driver says "I never had a chance". The simple fact is when you drive in populated areas or small streets you often have to drive very slowly. It means I often have people in those circumstances right on my tail. I can drive fast, it takes no more skill than to press a pedal but day to day driving is not F1.

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